he doesn't know how to deal with Raptor, and he's been projecting a LOT of his Celeste issues onto her and Jubjub since he's all sulky abandoned puppy over the previous team losses. He worries she compares Celeste to whatever team she was on in the past and they don't match up and now she has friends on other teams OF COURSE SHE'S GOING TO CARE ABOUT THEM MORE hiss hiss why don't you just go join them you will anyway you don't even like our Dragon--
basically March is a ball of Celenadequacy.
Personality wise he doesn't mind her so much, although he finds her really loud (and he has very sensitive hearing), but she seems willing to play hardball with the rest of them which he appreciates. He just can't bring himself to trust her to stick around, whether she leaves to the portrait or another team, and worries in a paranoid way that he's going to go to sleep one night and wake up to Jubjub and her on his bed, wearing a different colored team uniform, holding a bunch of opiates and whispering that they need to become one with Sabra.
haha but she DOES compare Celeste to her old team and dislikes Dragon on principle and just you wait until Scowl gets in...
Mostly though Excel is just frustrated with March. Because she wants to forget about her old team feels and be all about Celeste! Nobody wants that more than Raptor!
But March makes her feel insecure, which she deals with by interacting with him (and pushing him) as much as possible to prove how totally secure she is!! and doing great on this team!! LOOK HOW GREAT I'M DOING ON THIS TEAM I BET YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!!
When they're getting along, though, she likes him well enough. He's funny but not so much so she feels threatened, and she's always wanted a teammate who'd play hardball without a fight—did I just say basically all the same stuff you did in a slightly different order? We're a cool team full of cool people.
bitter as fuck shell didn't get murderslammed in the game even though they caused it, hence his BITING TAMAKI since. March got eaten, Tamaki didn't get hurt, it is only fair he gets bitten. #logic. But no major changes to his perception of princess sparkles.
PRETTY NEUTRAL! his opinion on Sage as a whole is Sage: Team lie down and die. HE SORT OF IS HISSY AT THEM because they accept Shark (to his knowledge) but March knows he is so unwelcome and IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S BETTER THAN ME JACKAL YOU BIASED ASSHOLE but then he doesn't want to be around them anyway.
And he's well aware that like, Sage is OH GOD WHY IS HE HERE GET OUT. So he viewed the food thing as an attempt to get at their alcohol in bribery. He doesn't think she's positive towards him in the slightest, and he doesn't really care about her. GREEN THING THAT'S PROBABLY JUDGMENTAL AND HATES ME AND IS HYPOCRITICAL.
she also thinks he is responsible for the dragon attack in dreamland- he was telling her to shut up, she didn't, then dragon attacked! celeste is the one who has the dragon! LOGIC even if jackal told her it's not how their deal works she still suspects. hiss.
the stew thing is not a bribe, she is actually still not aware of what happened in dangerdragon! she just doesn't want the food to go to waste and hey, maybe if this guy gets it, he'll be less crazy in their general direction, which is good! Paru does not like crazy being pointed in her direction.
tl;dr mostly fear, a bit of distrust, and a tiny bit of a desire to innadress him if it wouldn't end in stabbings because march.
so a team goes to bone witch for patroning! What would she offer and what would she want in return?
March you're his friend and you have to put up with it because there's no backing out now. Hatter doesn't let go easily. So there.
I mean yeah, Hatter's in no small way scared of March. Because March is dangerous and Celeste wins a lot and Hatter probably can't beat him anymore, which is scarier still because Rin and Yukio are around and dumb and fds;gldf. But he honestly enjoy's March's company and is SUPER RELIEVED when March actually... listens to him... about Canary...
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY EXCEPT HATTER HONESTLY LIKES MARCH... AND IT ISN'T EVEN REALLY A PROBLEM ANYMORE IT'S JUST A THING THAT IS TRUE
He does believe Celeste brings a little more to the table than Cardinal can, in that they historically have had a much higher win rate/stability (more skills and memories) and thus more ability to make strategic plays, but that with their own line up suffering from two skills loss members and a normal girl now along with the loss of their best fighters, Cardinal now has them outpowered in sheer combat ability and will only be getting more and more useful.
It's an extremely mutual alliance, as far as he's concerned, and while he doesn't trust Cardinal any more than he trusts any other team, March believes they'll keep to their end as long as it's just as beneficial for them!
Plus their play style ICly is utterly alike in the DO ANYTHING TO SURVIVE, their only real issue is that they've befriended different teams who don't all get along- And that's an issue that could potentially be turned into a strength.
OOCly, I think it's a very good match up of personalities and IC willingness to get along, even if it's likely to end in a glorious leper spiral.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW LACE SEES IT, TOO, minus the part where she thinks Cardinal has Celeste beat out for combat strength because she habitually assumes everyone else who sees things through a more aggressive lens like she does is probably as strong as she is, and she hasn't talked to the new Celestes enough/at all to realize they're ... squishy. She doesn't trust Celeste either, but they have a concrete, agreed-upon alliance with terms and penalties and she does trust them far enough to keep to the terms, simply because both sides know that would end in mutually assured destruction if they broke it and at least in Celeste's case she doesn't think any of them are that stupid and/or insane. So long as the cost of breaking it is higher than the cost of maintaining it there's no reason for either side to call it off, but - well, as it shows in the current Cardinalpost she's still paranoid enough about it to aim for precautionary measures just in case.
(As a counterpoint she does, however, expect that Copper Rose is that stupid and/or insane, at this point, but when an alliance happens with them she'll still hold them to it anyway.)
Which is why I suspect there will be some interesting shenanigans afoot should it actually come to pass, like it's kinda looking like it might, that Cardinal goes for Mary. Not that Cardinal would see that as endangering their alliance, mind, but idk if Celeste would. If they did ... :'Da
Personally it's some of my favorite CR to watch happening and I wish I were around to do more of it, even though my favorite thing to do right now is tack against it for interesting friction reasons. The patronage issue and the fact that Celeste holds a justified grudge against Fawn vs Cardinal's loathing of Shell will make for some fun happenings somewhere down the road, I hope, but really, codependent alcoholic leperteams forever.
SO HOW ABOUT THAT SUDDEN SWITCH TO MEMORY-LOSS, MARCH
oh lord i covered this on plurk but he has rediscovered his scorpiopathy and while it's tempered by sage he is just out of fucks to give \'-'/ he is so done with being scared of teams like cardinal and will bus them without a second thought and also he learned how to turn off his feelings and he got back the end of sabraather dangerbear ssssooooo. WHAT IS SANITY HE DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW ANYMORE. He's back to faking and fronting and some of his sanity is back in place thanks to getting drunk and also hugging it out but there is something v. broken in his head now.
also he is really pissed off at jubjub specifically for ginger because he's kinda yan for his team /o\ he got really mad at shark over ginger and he's... mad! really mad! he blew up in a way he hasn't really blown up before because of the stress and anger and trauma that comes from going through a cannibalism game twice. also like, he knows that celeste is gonna celeste but he can't help the vague feelings of betrayal either since he makes a point to protect celeste from sage usually (not that there's much to protect celeste from because of sage, lol sage) but he realizes the betrayed feelings are maybe a little unreasonable since there is no official alliance.
because the system is designed to fill us all with hatred and bile until only the six champions stand on the corpses of the six destroyed losers and celeste wants to be in the winner pile but you don't love us enough to prioritize us forever
She carries on, since that is what she does. But she ate some guys! She chose to eat some guys, because it would help protect her team from herself, and because she was hungry and wanted to, and scared not to. She chose to attack a team they were neutral on and a team they were close to, which, when you think about it is fine, and when you feel about it is awful in different ways. She tells herself it's because she wanted to end the game quickly, decrease the number of sacrifices, but she doesn't quite believe herself. Being a monster--having that power--was thrilling. So she's pretty disgusted and horrified with herself, but she also doesn't feel like she deserves to freak out, so she's just kind of quietly compartmentalising that and moving on, just a little bit more jaded, less Pollyannaish. She wouldn't mind talking it out but the people she'd usually approach are too--"good"?--to be good counsel? Sooo...yeah. Gained Dark Side points, uncertain how to feel or how to react :|b
How is March; how was Celeste? I'll be honest i didn't pay attention to any team that wasn't mine and even those got half-assed :')
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also he would pretty much have to end up on a team with neutrality or an alliance with Celeste to prevent March hitting unplayable levels of stress, because he wouldn't be able to attack that team or let Celeste hit them, but Celeste is a team without a policy of "our friends first". So he would destruct on his team very quickly if Julie was on Teal or Lilac or Byzantium or that sort of team. Cardinal, Copper Rose, Sage, etc would be more fine.
If he was memloss, March would deny knowing him at all. Like flat out pretend not to recognize him, no relation. He'd get Celeste to hide their relationship while requesting them not to hit that team. This is because he feels Julie would be tainted with his reputation and take on a lot more damage by being "In the same gang/friends with March" instead of a blank slate. He's already aware that Celeste's rep is overwhelming enough to kill Dormouse's PR, Julie wouldn't stand a chance. He'd live in terror of Julie regaining memories of him that are negative and suddenly hating him, but resign himself to that almost immediately, and getting blamed for Dormouse being in the portrait is just assumed.
March, king of fucking up everything!
Skills loss he wouldn't be able to do the same WHO ARE YOU NOPE DON'T KNOW YOU FUCK OFF (/cry in corner) but he'd be very... @_@ all the time. WHAT IF JULIE IS THE TRAITOR no what if I'm the traitor WHAT IF HIS WISH IS A LIE WHAT DO I DO NOW I BET HE HATES ME AND BLAMES ME FOR DORMOUSE AND NOT WINNING AND I WANT ALICE AND TO GO HOME AND FOR THINGS TO BE ALLRIIIIGHT AND HE'S GOING TO TELL EVERYONE I'M WORTHLESS AND essentially interally self-destruct.
it's only on march's/in march's journal style? eh whatever
Julie woooould not be memloss because that requires way too much thought about the rather nebulous DW stuff we wrote up a while back :'D HE WOULD DEFINITELY BE SKILL LOSS and he would also think deco is bullshit. But he would settle in decently enough, and then go try to punch March once he learned he was there and then make sure he stayed safe and NO DON'T STAB THAT GOD!! HONORARY BABYSITTER except he'd get fed up a lot and then come back because :T :T :T why are we friends :T!! but no really march he loves you...
THEN HE WOULD GET REALLY FRUSTRATED BY HIS LACK OF SKILLS BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT IN FACT BE ABLE TO PUNCH MARCH. or fix his/their implants. or hack things. THIS IS STUPID!! "this is stupid" would cover a lot of his feelings right up until murder started happening at which point it would be THIS IS REALLY STUPID BECAUSE I CAN'T DEFEND MYSELF, SHIT
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he doesn't know how to deal with Raptor, and he's been projecting a LOT of his Celeste issues onto her and Jubjub since he's all sulky abandoned puppy over the previous team losses. He worries she compares Celeste to whatever team she was on in the past and they don't match up and now she has friends on other teams OF COURSE SHE'S GOING TO CARE ABOUT THEM MORE hiss hiss why don't you just go join them you will anyway you don't even like our Dragon--
basically March is a ball of Celenadequacy.
Personality wise he doesn't mind her so much, although he finds her really loud (and he has very sensitive hearing), but she seems willing to play hardball with the rest of them which he appreciates. He just can't bring himself to trust her to stick around, whether she leaves to the portrait or another team, and worries in a paranoid way that he's going to go to sleep one night and wake up to Jubjub and her on his bed, wearing a different colored team uniform, holding a bunch of opiates and whispering that they need to become one with Sabra.
Or something like that, anyway.
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Mostly though Excel is just frustrated with March. Because she wants to forget about her old team feels and be all about Celeste! Nobody wants that more than Raptor!
But March makes her feel insecure, which she deals with by interacting with him (and pushing him) as much as possible to prove how totally secure she is!! and doing great on this team!! LOOK HOW GREAT I'M DOING ON THIS TEAM I BET YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!!
When they're getting along, though, she likes him well enough. He's funny but not so much so she feels threatened, and she's always wanted a teammate who'd play hardball without a fight—did I just say basically all the same stuff you did in a slightly different order? We're a cool team full of cool people.
Any update on how March feels about Tamaki?
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How does Excel feel Celeste handled dragonbear?
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And he's well aware that like, Sage is OH GOD WHY IS HE HERE GET OUT. So he viewed the food thing as an attempt to get at their alcohol in bribery. He doesn't think she's positive towards him in the slightest, and he doesn't really care about her. GREEN THING THAT'S PROBABLY JUDGMENTAL AND HATES ME AND IS HYPOCRITICAL.
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she also thinks he is responsible for the dragon attack in dreamland- he was telling her to shut up, she didn't, then dragon attacked! celeste is the one who has the dragon! LOGIC even if jackal told her it's not how their deal works she still suspects. hiss.
the stew thing is not a bribe, she is actually still not aware of what happened in dangerdragon! she just doesn't want the food to go to waste and hey, maybe if this guy gets it, he'll be less crazy in their general direction, which is good! Paru does not like crazy being pointed in her direction.
tl;dr mostly fear, a bit of distrust, and a tiny bit of a desire to innadress him if it wouldn't end in stabbings because march.
so a team goes to bone witch for patroning! What would she offer and what would she want in return?
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March you're his friend and you have to put up with it because there's no backing out now. Hatter doesn't let go easily. So there.
I mean yeah, Hatter's in no small way scared of March. Because March is dangerous and Celeste wins a lot and Hatter probably can't beat him anymore, which is scarier still because Rin and Yukio are around and dumb and fds;gldf. But he honestly enjoy's March's company and is SUPER RELIEVED when March actually... listens to him... about Canary...
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY EXCEPT HATTER HONESTLY LIKES MARCH... AND IT ISN'T EVEN REALLY A PROBLEM ANYMORE IT'S JUST A THING THAT IS TRUE
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He does believe Celeste brings a little more to the table than Cardinal can, in that they historically have had a much higher win rate/stability (more skills and memories) and thus more ability to make strategic plays, but that with their own line up suffering from two skills loss members and a normal girl now along with the loss of their best fighters, Cardinal now has them outpowered in sheer combat ability and will only be getting more and more useful.
It's an extremely mutual alliance, as far as he's concerned, and while he doesn't trust Cardinal any more than he trusts any other team, March believes they'll keep to their end as long as it's just as beneficial for them!
Plus their play style ICly is utterly alike in the DO ANYTHING TO SURVIVE, their only real issue is that they've befriended different teams who don't all get along- And that's an issue that could potentially be turned into a strength.
OOCly, I think it's a very good match up of personalities and IC willingness to get along, even if it's likely to end in a glorious leper spiral.
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(As a counterpoint she does, however, expect that Copper Rose is that stupid and/or insane, at this point, but when an alliance happens with them she'll still hold them to it anyway.)
Which is why I suspect there will be some interesting shenanigans afoot should it actually come to pass, like it's kinda looking like it might, that Cardinal goes for Mary. Not that Cardinal would see that as endangering their alliance, mind, but idk if Celeste would. If they did ... :'Da
Personally it's some of my favorite CR to watch happening and I wish I were around to do more of it, even though my favorite thing to do right now is tack against it for interesting friction reasons. The patronage issue and the fact that Celeste holds a justified grudge against Fawn vs Cardinal's loathing of Shell will make for some fun happenings somewhere down the road, I hope, but really, codependent alcoholic leperteams forever.
SO HOW ABOUT THAT SUDDEN SWITCH TO MEMORY-LOSS, MARCH
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also he is really pissed off at jubjub specifically for ginger because he's kinda yan for his team /o\ he got really mad at shark over ginger and he's... mad! really mad! he blew up in a way he hasn't really blown up before because of the stress and anger and trauma that comes from going through a cannibalism game twice. also like, he knows that celeste is gonna celeste but he can't help the vague feelings of betrayal either since he makes a point to protect celeste from sage usually (not that there's much to protect celeste from because of sage, lol sage) but he realizes the betrayed feelings are maybe a little unreasonable since there is no official alliance.
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She carries on, since that is what she does. But she ate some guys! She chose to eat some guys, because it would help protect her team from herself, and because she was hungry and wanted to, and scared not to. She chose to attack a team they were neutral on and a team they were close to, which, when you think about it is fine, and when you feel about it is awful in different ways. She tells herself it's because she wanted to end the game quickly, decrease the number of sacrifices, but she doesn't quite believe herself. Being a monster--having that power--was thrilling. So she's pretty disgusted and horrified with herself, but she also doesn't feel like she deserves to freak out, so she's just kind of quietly compartmentalising that and moving on, just a little bit more jaded, less Pollyannaish. She wouldn't mind talking it out but the people she'd usually approach are too--"good"?--to be good counsel? Sooo...yeah. Gained Dark Side points, uncertain how to feel or how to react :|b
How is March; how was Celeste? I'll be honest i didn't pay attention to any team that wasn't mine and even those got half-assed :')
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SO YOU DISABLE YOUR CUSTOM COMMENTS.
also he would pretty much have to end up on a team with neutrality or an alliance with Celeste to prevent March hitting unplayable levels of stress, because he wouldn't be able to attack that team or let Celeste hit them, but Celeste is a team without a policy of "our friends first". So he would destruct on his team very quickly if Julie was on Teal or Lilac or Byzantium or that sort of team. Cardinal, Copper Rose, Sage, etc would be more fine.
If he was memloss, March would deny knowing him at all. Like flat out pretend not to recognize him, no relation. He'd get Celeste to hide their relationship while requesting them not to hit that team. This is because he feels Julie would be tainted with his reputation and take on a lot more damage by being "In the same gang/friends with March" instead of a blank slate. He's already aware that Celeste's rep is overwhelming enough to kill Dormouse's PR, Julie wouldn't stand a chance. He'd live in terror of Julie regaining memories of him that are negative and suddenly hating him, but resign himself to that almost immediately, and getting blamed for Dormouse being in the portrait is just assumed.
March, king of fucking up everything!
Skills loss he wouldn't be able to do the same WHO ARE YOU NOPE DON'T KNOW YOU FUCK OFF (/cry in corner) but he'd be very... @_@ all the time. WHAT IF JULIE IS THE TRAITOR no what if I'm the traitor WHAT IF HIS WISH IS A LIE WHAT DO I DO NOW I BET HE HATES ME AND BLAMES ME FOR DORMOUSE AND NOT WINNING AND I WANT ALICE AND TO GO HOME AND FOR THINGS TO BE ALLRIIIIGHT AND HE'S GOING TO TELL EVERYONE I'M WORTHLESS AND essentially interally self-destruct.
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Julie woooould not be memloss because that requires way too much thought about the rather nebulous DW stuff we wrote up a while back :'D HE WOULD DEFINITELY BE SKILL LOSS and he would also think deco is bullshit. But he would settle in decently enough, and then go try to punch March once he learned he was there and then make sure he stayed safe and NO DON'T STAB THAT GOD!! HONORARY BABYSITTER except he'd get fed up a lot and then come back because :T :T :T why are we friends :T!! but no really march he loves you...
THEN HE WOULD GET REALLY FRUSTRATED BY HIS LACK OF SKILLS BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT IN FACT BE ABLE TO PUNCH MARCH. or fix his/their implants. or hack things. THIS IS STUPID!! "this is stupid" would cover a lot of his feelings right up until murder started happening at which point it would be THIS IS REALLY STUPID BECAUSE I CAN'T DEFEND MYSELF, SHIT
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since I remembered this meme existed
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